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is going to be the ultimate deal's going to look like the obama boehner grand bargain that was negotiated and almost done in the summer of 2011. the fact that we couldn't make that deal then i think's a tragedy for the country. one of the thing's it did was lead to that aaa downgrading. that was unnecessary. >> let me just follow up on this point of what republicans should accept. you said you'd go back to the clinton era tax rates if you could get the spending that went with it. there are some in the republican party like congressman tom cole congress them saying let's just do that. let the rates go up for those at the top, then wait and negotiate. is there anything about that that you think could make sense? >> that's not a negotiation. the president's not going to then lower those rates. >> that might be a capitulation. >> yeah, it is a capitulation. the president thinks he's got all the cards. the republicans position improves at the beginning of the year and frankly, there are a number of people coming back, people who contributed to this mess and i'm not sure as a citizen i want the
the give and take will occur. boehner and obama have met before. the summer of 2011. they put a lot of specifics on paper. when boehner coudn g backing from his conference. >> how close is this toth i didn't see this in advance. this was reallyop b. th tn goatn.3 > dl nde. s >> there has been progress. >> right now i would say we're nowhere.3 irey ssisc. paul begala, david frum, former adviser to president george w. bush. gentlemen, nice to have you both. david, let's start with you. depending on who you listen to, it's either going great or not going well at all. they're either optimistic or completely pessimistic. which is it? >> i feel about this whole process as a basketball nonfan, i feel about basketball, which is start it 100-100 and play for five minutes to get it over with. but i think we also need to take a step back and realize just how lunatic this whole process is. what the united states does not need right now is either spending cuts or tax increases. what we should be thinking about is how to get growth. instead of the mishandling of the deal in 2011, we have to pret
, how are traders down here investing -- reacting to mr. obama and mr. boehner? >> it depends on what the headlines are. so the president said the clear majority voted for a balanced approach. but there's a lot of debate about what that means. representative boehner i thought was much more into fighting words over there. listen to what he said. increasing the tax rates is the wrong approach to take. he said there was a stalemate in the talks with the white house. look at the dow industrials. we did move down around 25, 30 points as his comments came out. he said we're almost nowhere in the talks. sitting right near the lows for the day. if you look at the overall sectors that are moving today, pretty much balanced on either side. pretty much even on the balance-decline line. worries about higher taxes on dividend paying stocks seem to be -- >> lows for the day but not violent downstrokes here. >> i think the problem is we'll have trouble moving into positive territory at the close. a lot of concerns about headline risks over the weekend. we could be down 10, 15 on the s&p monday morni
into a civil war. did president obama disspeaker john boehner in a comment today. >> on the conservative side of the republican party today. with senator demint speaking on the idea that $800 billion of tax increases were offered. but he got the backing of mitch mcconnel. take a listen to what he had to say. >> i think it sis important tha the house leadership is trying to mov move it forward. i had hoped that we would be accomplishing more in the real talks. but i can tell you, there is nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. even as he has to deal with this rebellion. he has to deal with democrats and harry reid's comments today give you a sense of where they are coming from. >> they have to come up with specific revenue. and they refuse to do that. it is a simple question of arithmetic. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the rates. so as you know in washington, a rebellion in the ranks like this could be a problem. but in the spohort-term, if it remains constrained. it could be a good negotiating term. he could say i have offered everything that i have and
between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern among some in the gop that they are at risk of becoming the party for rich people while president obama and democrats stake their claim on the middle class. and my tax rate flexibility with higher -- here's what the president said earlier today. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevent prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> we look back republican senator rand paul from the state of kentucky. senator paul, welcome, as always. i want to ask you about the fiscal cliff, the state of play. there's revenues on the table. there's tax rate increases on the table. i don't know if there's spending on the table. what's your thinking prigt now? >
2008. >>> our fourth story, showdown. house speaker john boehner today gave president obama a taste of his own medicine, putting out his own proposal for avoiding the fiscal cliff. i spoke with tom coburn this hour and he said the deal boehner's put on the table is the best compromise out there. listen. >> i'm certain that if this is not good enough for the white house, we will go over the fiscal cliff. >> if you read though, the boehner proposal carefully, no tax rate increases, which we know is a nonstarter for the president. so where does that leave us? john avlon is here to help us read through the lines of the deal, also crunch some of those numbers. first, we're talking about the $800 billion figure. that's in the letter that john boehner wrote to the president. break that down for us. >> that's right. there is no numbers breaking that down. it's a where's the beef question. bumper sticker, we have the numbers but no details. boehner's aides will say that's where the negotiations come in. the devil's in the details. they'll say look, to achieve these revenue increases by closi
with ourselves. >> house speaker boehner saying that is president obama and the democrats to save you for being higher taxes. this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate is because, come the fiscal cliff moment, that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> speaking as a reagan conservative, i must say i rather agree with you. probably shouldn't. but i do. i think divided government is very difficult. and there's some principles that speaker boehner is fighting for, with which i actually agree. but i think politically, the risk here for the gop, is they've become the party of rich people. and they give up the middle-class to the democrats. and i think you saw some of that in the presidential election. i don't think that's their intent. i think their tax reform intent is quite sound. but the way t
boehner will speak at any moment. his first public remarks since president obama drew a line in the sand insisting on raising tax rates on the rich. no deal without that. we hear from mr. boehner short lil' -- shortly. when he starts to speak, you will hear it live. also new at 10:00, an 8 minute cartoon video from a teacher's union in california that shows among other things a rich man urinating on the poor and the middle class. this is what the class warfare rhetoric has evolved into the formerly golden state. yep, believe me, we will have more on that later this hour with california resident mike reagan. >>> to the big board, we're right at 13,000, a gain of 51 points in the early going this wednesday morning. here's our company, charles payne is here. sandra smith is back. and nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. and mark stein, conservative columnist supreme, author and christmas carol singer joins us as well. welcome to the program. president obama says i'm going to insist on raising tax rates on the rich. it is my opinion that the president wants to punis
. enough about it and that's not influencing what's go on between john boehner, president obama, mitch mcconnell and the other folk on the hill? >> they probably have more awareness than some can imagine. but having said that, it not where it is now, it's when you get to the end when people saw what the options were and the choices were, and then they decide who they think either helped or didn't help. that's sort of the critical moment. at this point, i -- the public wanted to see this resolved is where they're at the this point. >> right. and i always say, polling at this point given how little people know about the specifics of what could go into any deal, we don't have a deal, but if we did, may not be worth all that much. go ahead. >> again, one last thing. that's what's being negotiated at this point what are the specifics that go into it so people can pass judgment on it. >> i want to go to you, we've all been through this before, i feel like this is here we go again. >> here we go again. oh yes. >> all over. >> all over again. >> it feels, to me, the optics -- i hate to use that w
somewhere north of $1 trillion which is basically the difference between boehner's position and obama's position. it includes medicare cuts, entitlement cuts that are at least $400 billion. remember dick durbin on your show earlier in the week put that $400 billion marker down. democrats privately tell us they'll go higher, perhaps much higher if republicans get serious on raising taxes. they'll cut spending by about $1.2 trillion, which is the total of sequestration. and they'll probably have to throw in a debt limit increase to avoid hitting that in february. people involved in the talks feel like they can get there. there's no doubt it's going to take some time, boehner has to get republicans more comfortable with raising taxes including raising rates. i don't think there's a scenario where the rates don't go up on people making over $250,000. and democrats have to get more comfortable with entitlement changes. but at the end of the day, obama can deliver democrats. and i think boehner's stronger today than he was three months ago, and he could deliver more republicans than he coul
might be stuck. a senior administration official told us that president obama and john boehner had a phone wallace night and politico was reporting that the phone call was curt. they said on the call john boehner told the president to leave the tax cuts for the rich alone. the president says he doesn't want to do that. he's going to stick with his plan to raise $1.6 billion in revenue and if republicans have something better they should be specific now. eric cantor said republicans are already going further than they did in the same spot in 2010. >> we have done our part. we have put revenues on the table, something we didn't do two years ago during the debt ceiling negotiations. >> we've seen some positive developments in the last several weeks, in terms of what republicans have been saying about the need for revenue as part of a balanced package. the president will continue to make the case that that is essential. >> reporter: so both sides saying revenue is on the table, now the fight is obviously to figure out where it's going to come from, how the government is going to make m
comments made by president obama and house speaker john boehner, both expressing optimism on fiscal cliff negotiations in the washington. in a new report from the congressional budget office it says more than half a trillion has been spent on jobless benefits over the past five years. $520 billion in jobless benefits in five years. also part of the debate, whether to extend the deadline to file for additional unemployment benefits beyond the end of the year. spending on food stamps is rising. nearly 15 million households received food stampses in 2011, up 10% from the year before according to new data from the census bureau. it shows you the far reach of the government right now in the safety net in supporting american families. all of that at the core of the debate of what's happening with the fiscal cliff. >>> $7 coffee. starbucks thinks you will pay. coffee connoisseurs can pay $7 for a grande cup of costa rica fincapalamara. it's called mucho deneiro. cultivated from a central american bean known as geisha. it is extremely difficult to produce. the same america who spends $7 on lotter
will talk to neil cavuto about that. and the idea of putting president obama and john boehner on tv together and televising the debt talks. lori: microsoft's efforts is all coming down to the price tag. we will show you some interest rates as we head to break. 164 on the ten year. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for mang or losing money can pop up anytime. that's why she trades with the leader in mobile trading. so she's always ready to take action, no matter how wily... or weird... or wonderfully the market's behaving... which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritre. >> i have your fox business brief. manufacturing activity unexpectedly contracted last month falling to its lowest level in three years. it fell to 49.5. larger than expected drop. on the flip side, you as builders boosted their construction spending in october by their largest about sids may. it rose nearly 1.5. morningstar foods unit is being sold for $1.5 billion. the deal will help boost its presence in the
obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a
. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, and mary an anna-- anastasia o'grady and kim strassel. you've been talking it it sources and is the mood as hour as it sounds. >> it is by the end of this week and here is why, the republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue here. you want revenue on the wealthy, we'll give it to you, limiting tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that and running with tceiling a deal has been campaigning for tax hikes and to cap it off sent treasury secretary tim geithner to congress with this outrageous proposal as basically a compilation of everything that the president wanted in his budget and beyond what he even campaigned for.
between john boehner and president obama was progress. he was feeling more optimistic and he believes the speaker and the president are trading proposals right now. liz: ok, thank you very much. dave: the boosting gdp may be short-lived. we have someone who says call it for a slowdown in the u.s. and warning of a worldwide recession is sauce -- is the moderate thing to do. you don't want to miss harry dent coming. liz: drug refills may be costing you even more money this year filling brandname prescription. you know cheaper alternatives, they may be getting even more affordable. you got to hear this story. we take any kind of prescription drugs. details straight ahead in today's speed read. b you know how panful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recoended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relievi the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. maybe you want to incorporate a business. ortect your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like the help of an attorney. at legalzoom a
a crisis but it will require even more skill than talks between obama and boehner. >> i remember after reading k s kissi kissinger's book on china, a fascinating world view we are sort of evangelical about spreading democracy. china sees themselves as the center. no, you come to us. i said, is that true? do the chinese not want to sweep into europe? he said, no, you understand what the chinese want, look at the gdp number. it has to be at 9% or 10% or they feel they lose dprip on power. >> the narrative to any family in china if you look back about ten years they're better off. that's when the real problems set in. >> what are the poll outlets or ways that this country, that america can have sort of a resurgence in manufacturing. >> the natural gas boom and things like that placing an emphasis on speed. if you have an idea for a new product you want to get to market five weeks from now, it's possible to do that better in california, in texas and boston rather than going to hong kong. >> that's very -- >> you did mention on the list one of the things that the obama administration loves
when president obama and house speaker john boehner were in the same room together like they were last night at the white house holiday reception for congress members, they didn't even speak. the president was asked about that today. >> speaker boehner was here at the white house last night for a christmas party. the two of you didn't even speak. what's it going to take to get the two of you in a room to hash this out? >> well, speaker boehner and i speak frequently, and i think the issue right now -- >> when? when will the two of you sit down in a room? >> you know, i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> as i mentioned, the american people want the people they elected to sit down together, work it out. a new gallup poll shows 62% want government leaders to compromise on the fiscal cliff. just 25% said they should stick to their principles. so why is it that this congress and this white house can't seem to get together and compromise on a deal? it certainly isn't the first time republicans and democrats haven't seen eye-to-eye on an important issue
: they are a long way from a deal. but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter. and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans, too, get a tax cut on the first $25
in motion by the same two people who are negotiating this deal. president obama and speaker boehner. >> i had the opportunity to ask secretary geithner in may in a hearing in the financial services committee in the house if he could name a state. we have 50 states. if he could name one state that had higher economic growth than a state that had lower taxes and less regulation. he could not name a state. yet what he's proposing is higher taxes and more regulation. that's what this administration has done over the past four years. we have two massive laws that are breaks on the economy. 2010 health law. affordable care act. well intentioned but -- >> will republicans raise taxes? there's two chess movesky s ki see as a lowly voter. >> i won't. but this is -- this is where leadership counts. and so speaker boehner needs to work with the conference to find republicans that are willing to go along with that. >> are you going to raise taxes? >> look, it depends on what you mean by raising taxes. >> on the top 2% of the wealthy people, you say you pay instead of 35%, we're going to put you at 37
nothing to do with what's going on between boehner and obama. >> to some extent that's true. >> reid is the guy that pushed obama to extend the bush tax rates in 2010. so reid would i suspect -- >> i'm starting to like him more. i thought of him as senator pat geary from godfather 2. but everybody loves harry. there's a song everybody loves harry. anybodies that that has anything to do with casinos loves harry. just a quick question. you were a big cap guy for a long time. now dividends rates where going up. are you still a big cap guy? i've been a small cap guy. i'll tell you you why. >> when did you switch? >> this is a while ago. the reason why, number one -- it's a growth story. >> do you like the natural gases play ms in small cap? >> the way we've invested, we haven't been looking at producers. we're looking at users of natural gas. i think that's been a little bit better. >> we'll hit that break at 6:50, the one that we keep -- >> let's do it. >> and write a six minute tease for that break. i'm going to have time to read the entire thing and people at the end of that tease, no
. that is the sticking point. president obama wants those tax rates raised. john boehner, he wants fewer deductions, limits on deductions. that's the status quo right now of the discussion there. i want to bring you to the big board because we're going nowhere this tuesday morning on very low volume. back below 13,000. tuesday morning, here's the company: elizabeth macdonald is with us. david asman is with us. and nicole petallides right there on the floor of the new york stock exchange. china, cracking down on money transfers at wynn macau casinos. i guess that wynn stock is going to be down? nicole: you are right. we're seeing the stock down nearly 4% here. this is not good news for them overall. basically china's new leadership cracking down on fast money moving. they are going to set rules where you can't -- restrict the limits on how much money can actually be taken out of the country. there are a lot of new rules that would be put in place. all of it is obviously for responsible gambling, but it seems to be a lot deeper than that. stuart: i've been to that casino in macau. i mean totally diff
, that is tonight on nbc's rock center. 10:00 p.m. on your local nbc station. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you
along. so in that respect, doesn't this seem just a little too bold and certainly not like the obama of the last term. >> well, that's music to my ears because i think john boehner got the better of the president frankly, speaker boehner, in the last negotiations that they had in 2011, and it suggests that the president, he does, he has the wind at his back. the piece that's sticking right now should be the easiest, which is locking in 98% of the bush tax cuts. this was something mary worked hard on, people like me opposed them, democrats hated those bush tax cuts. now the president is willing to enshrine 98% of those tax cuts and the republicans can't take yes for an answer because they are not really fighting for lower taxes, they're fighting for the upper 2% of inco earners and that's a losing proposition. 70% of americans think those of us who are blessed and are upper income americans ought to pay a little bit more. >> so mary, why doesn't that make sense? shouldn't the winner come in as paul said with the wind at his back, he does have a mandate. >> he does not have a mandate.
are almost nowhere. >> chris: president obama accusing republicans of being willing to raise taxes on 98% of americans, while speaker boehner says it is the president who is unwilling to compromise. and it is time for our sunday group, bill kristol of the weekly standard. mara liasson of national public radio, republican strategist ed rollins and former democratic senator evan byah. you heard for the last half-hour, tim geithner and john boehner, each say they are being reasonable and it is the other side's fault. bill you have been through your share of washington negotiations. what strikes you about what you heard today? >> geithner is in a stronger position, in the respect. the president is net and high can maneuver and say, $1.6 trillion and, they say, $1.1 trillion and speaker beginner has 235 members, and they don't hop to it when he decides to move, he's in a much tougher position structurally and we have seen the history of the show downs, the white house usually wins, and, the main reason why is, he is a unitary executive and, the majority party in congress is in a weaker positi
, it was not a serious proposal. so right now we are almost nowhere. >> president obama accusing republicans ever being willing to raise taxes on 98% of americans, while speaker boehner said it's the president when is unwilling to compromise. it's time now for our sunday group. bill crystal of the weekly standard. marcha liason and ed rollins and former democratic senator that you heard. >> each of them are saying they are being reasonable and it's the other side's fault. you have been through your share of washington negotiations. what strikes you about what you heard today? >> i think they both made their case well but i think geithner is in a stronger position in this respect. the president is the president. he can maneuver, he can say my $1.6 trillion and he can say $1.2 trillion. speaker boehner has 135 members. they don't hop to it when he decides to move. he's in a tougher position structurally. in these show downs the white house usually wins and the main reason they win is it's a unitary executive. and congress is in a weaker position. >> all right. >> what happened this week is interesting. b
obama and treasury secretary to make his case while the president himself negotiators his kay way through 18 holes and a black tie bash. speaker boehner sums up with where things are with the word of the week, nowhere. a big fight brewing over republicans ratifying a u.n. treaty to help people with disabilities that's based on a u.s. law signed by a republican president. find out how a republican attorney general plan to overcome the opposition. >> president obama pile on praise that sounds like anything but. a farewell for hillary clinton. i'm fighting a fiscal cough, so pardon that. if it's always darkest. it's clear the white house-re house-republican leaders, both sides appear to be very far apart, saluting kennedy center honorees from dustin hoffman to led zeppelin and hitting the golf links with former president bill clinton. the guy with whom he will have to make a deal to end the standoff on the fiscal cliff house speaker john boehner requested time on fox news to publicly declare the president's opening bid a nonstarter. >> i was flabbergasted. we're nowhere. >> treasury
. cantor wants that job. so i think boehner's going to press for a deal, i think he's going to go ahead and allow president obama to raise taxes to 39.6%, and i think that'll take the edge off the fiscal cliff. david: let's take this discussion out of the beltway and into the real world. the economy, and, jeff, i want to start with you because you're bullish, but if you're so bullish, hy are you downgrading housing right now? >> because our housing team made a really good call on the housing stocks, and they outran their valuations on a short to intermediate-term basis. they downgraded them about two months ago. liz: okay, so where's the money? show it to us. >> i like just about everything except consumer staples. i think industrials look good, i think they are the new consumer staples. i think that consumer staples are the new investment vehicles of utility investors -- liz: and you like american tower, sba communications, you know, i just wonder why specifically that? is it sort of the cycle that you expect? we'll have a coiled spring from people holding back from spending? >> no. e
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of reach. and timothy geithner headed up negotiations for the obama administration says the deal will be hard to come by without tax hikes for higher income americans and republican leaders led by house speaker john boehner calling the president's proposal essentially a waste of time. >> i was flabbergasted. >> we've the got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year, and three of those weeks have been wasted. >> steve centanni kicks off our college tonight from washington d.c. steve, where exactly do we stand tonight? >> well, harris, democrats are hoping republicans to raise taxes on the wealthy and the republicans are accusing the white house of wasting time. and saying that he didn't have a serious proposal when he reintroduced a plan to reduce 4 trillion dollars. >> the president asking for 1.6 trillion dollars worth of new revenue over ten years, twice as much as he's been asking for in public. his system spending in here that exceeded the amount of new cuts that he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> but so far it's the only white house of
, no deal in sight. president obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans as speaker boehner lashes out over his budget plan. >>> hillary clinton is the lead candidate for 2016, a new poll shows. she keeps saying no, no, no. but will she heed the call? >> yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. >>> new details on the murde murder/suicide involving kansas city chief jovan belcher. what the 911 calls reveal about the slaying of his girlfriend. >>> what you should absolutely stay away from. >>> packed show for you this morning. jeb henserling is joining us. american federation of teachers and our guest as well is randi weingarten. "starting point" begins right now. >>> morning. welcome, everybody. our "starting point" this morning, president obama says he will not bend in this fiscal cliff debate. americans face the prospect of severe tax hikes, spending cuts if republicans and democrats can't get together to work out some deal. congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. if they don't extend that, it will be ten days from then that we fall off the fiscal cliff. >> if we're going to
need today. proven that it can be done. and we need president obama to come to the table, provide that leadership, the republicans are willing. speaker boehner is ready today. let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe whe
boehner is already ready for $800 billion of ip creancre tax revenue. calculating deductions, eliminating loopholes. are you with the speaker of the house on that? >> unfortunately, the policies of the president obama have already taken us over the cliff. if you meet with businesses like i do all the time, they already pared back plans and hiring for next year, anticipating what's going to happen. we can fix this christmas eve, if we want, but we've already hurt the economy and hurt job growth. >> are you with boehner? >> i am not with boehner. this government doesn't need any more money. this country needs less government. we are going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year, but we've doubled spepding in the last ten years. >> everyone's taxes are going to go up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise as far as taxes are concerned
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